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  • I still do not understand the reason why the episode Goodbye and Good Riddance is non canon and exists in an alternate timeline even though the episode was pretty much in line with the main timeline (through the fact that it shares many similarities to Destroy All Aliens ) and there is not any thing that is non-cannon about this episode. Ben returns back into Belwood, fights threats from earth or space (as presented in the flashbacks of Omniverse ) and removes the Omnitrix and does not wear it until four years later. Then, the events of Alien Force and Ultimate Alien occur. 

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    • This episode is a "What if!?"... those episodes never take place in the main timeline. Ben's identity was revealed in this alternate timeline. I doubt you've actually watched Ultimate Alien.

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    • The episode is made non-canon as of AF actually. Since Ben's parents first learn of the Omnitrix's true purpose in AF, but they also learnt about it in this episode.

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    • This isn't canon because it's a "What if?" episode, which don't take place in the canon. Ben's parents learned of his identity in AF, and here they also learn it (and he has a dog). Gwen also transfers to Ben's school, which doesn't happen in the canon iirc.

      Edit: This post strongly reminds me of this comment: "Yeah me too I think it's cannon but why is it in another dimension (timeline)? I don't get it. This should be cannon, there's nothing non-cannon about it. Ben returns home, fights stuff (as shown in Omniverse) and let's go of the Omnitrix. Then Alien Force/Ultimate Alien happens. Why non-cannonise this episode? It's as cannon and as in the same dimension (or timeline) as every other episode!".

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    • The dog is canon though, Ben just let it go on a farm.

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    • That's a common expression that's often used by parents to explain to their children that their pet has died, if I'm not mistaken.

      Even if it's dead now, the dog is still canon.

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    • Oh yeah, I forgot that Dwayne said that and Matt.

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    • Manny20444 wrote: I still do not understand the reason why that this episode is non canon and exists in an alternate timeline even though the episode was pretty much in line with the main timeline.

      Because the beginning of the episode says so itself. Watch it.

      For the record I watched it 2-3 days back on TV

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    • Which episode are we talking about...?

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    • Hmngasaurr wrote:
      Which episode are we talking about...?

      Goodbye and Good Riddance is an episode from the Original Series that we are speaking about.


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    • I see

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    • That episode happened in the Ben 10,000 Timeline to be honest. It probably ends up being the only difference between the Main one and his.

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    • Should I change the links of the articles for the characters to the Ben 10,000 versions then?

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    • No, it doesn't happen in the Ben 10,000 timeline. So far as the end of Omniverse, the Ben 10,000 timeline from Ben 10 is the same as the main timeline (with minor changes and retcons).

      The episode in not a part of the main timeline. It was also never stated to be part of Ben 10,000 timeline. Assuming that is just fan theory.

      Also note, that during the original series, the Ben 10,000 timeline wasn't a different timeline. It was the future. While Goodbye and Good Riddance was a decidedly different timeline.

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    • Also, IIRC, Vilgax dies in the episode, while he is alive in the future timeline

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    • Shocker03 wrote:
      Also, IIRC, Vilgax dies in the episode, while he is alive in the future timeline

      But Future Dr. Animo restores him back to life in the Ben 10,000 episode, so that does make it in the Ben 10,000 timeline.

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    • Vilgax will be killed by Ben when he is 20. This episode is just as canon as the Gwen 10 episode.

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    • @Manny2044 Oh yeah, you are right, I forgot that. He was restored to life. But think about it. So far till Malgax Attacks, Vilgax was alive. And the Ben 10,000 timeline is the same as the main timeline at least till the end of Omniverse. So, obviously, if the timeline is the current future then that timeline's history so far matches with the main timeline's history.

      So Ben's history up till end of Omniverse is same for both timelines. This means that if Vilgax died in Goodbye and Good Riddance, Ben 10,000 timeline would have separated off then itself and never become the current future.

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    • PassportPortpass wrote: Vilgax will be killed by Ben when he is 20.

      I thought he died in Malagax Attacks.

      PassportPortpass wrote: This episode is just as canon as the Gwen 10 episode.

      I agree with that though.

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    • Shocker03 wrote:

      PassportPortpass wrote: Vilgax will be killed by Ben when he is 20.

      I thought he died in Malagax Attacks.

      PassportPortpass wrote: This episode is just as canon as the Gwen 10 episode.

      I agree with that though.

      There's no proof he's dead exactly honestly. It seemed unclear to me.

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    • Vilgax has survived explosions before, so he could've survived that. If he didn't, then that's enough proof that it's a what if episode... especially considering the episode starts off saying that.

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    • I recently watched this episode, and yes, at the beginning, it implies that it is a What if episode

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