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  • In Malgax attacks, when Azmuth disabled Albedo's ultimatrix, Albedo stated that he cannot transform any more. But doesn't Albedo have the power to transform without any device.

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    • No, he needs the Ultimatrix. He might not need to touch it, but the Ultimatrix has to work to perform transformations.

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    • I think, bad end for Albedo.

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    • Ben botched his experiment, remember? Albedo's unassisted transformations only last for ten seconds before reverting. He uses the Ultimatrix as a stabilizer.

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    • Can he fix his watch?

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    • Nope. Well Probably. If there is a new series they will make some way for Albedo to transform. He is one of the best villians after all.

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    • But still, he can turn into humungasour for 10 seconds and beat Azmuth up.

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    • Albedo44 wrote:
      Nope. Well Probably. If there is a new series they will make some way for Albedo to transform. He is one of the best villians after all.

      Yep, i agree!

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      But still, he can turn into humungasour for 10 seconds and beat Azmuth up.

      Albedo must have relied on the ultamatrix's stablization too much that he can't transform without it anymore. or azmuth put a device to stop him from transforming. Maybe it's the one attached to his leg. Well too bad they didn't give him any sunscreen.

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    • attached to his leg?

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      attached to his leg?

      Yeah, while he was cleaning there was something attached to his leg. Like some kind of Ironball except it's not a ball and it looks like a machine.

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    • It's probably some kind of waste.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      It's probably some kind of waste.

      No. Watch Malgax attacks near the end while he is cleaning. It's actually attached to him and it's like the ones in prison, where they put an iron ball on one of the leg of a prisoner. Exept it's not a ball, it's like a cube or something.

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    • Ask Derrick.

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    • I'll ask later, well if he's gonna answer it. 

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    • Ohh here look http://snag.gy/2i6ii.jpg

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    • I think it is for cleaning the waste.

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    • Hmm not sure how that would help in cleaning. It would just be a nuissance. I think it's to keep guard on him, to monitor him, since he is a smart galvan, It might just be to prevent him from doing something bad again. Also did you see his arm? it seems the ultimatrix was sealed and probably tampered with by azmuth.

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    • Who knows?

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    • Probably the writers.

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    • Well the point is that Albedo really can't transform now. It might be because he can't cause he got used to using the ultimatrix, or the thing attached to his leg is preventing it or that the ultimatrix was tampered with.

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    • So Albedo is powerless..........

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    • maybe the device Azmuth used didn't turn off the ultimatrix, or his stabilizer, it just caused the stabilizer to stay stuck on "11 year old Ben"

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    • Good riddance!

      I've seen Albedo try to defeat Ben and Azmuth and fail in the end.

      I think he's had this coming to him. It's always been his fault he ends up looking like Ben.

      If he hadn't created a bad copy of the Omnitrix, he never would've suffered.

      On a lighter note, I'd say it was great to hear Tara Strong voice Albedo as Kid Ben.

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    • AnimeEx wrote:
      Hmm not sure how that would help in cleaning. It would just be a nuissance. I think it's to keep guard on him, to monitor him, since he is a smart galvan, It might just be to prevent him from doing something bad again. Also did you see his arm? it seems the ultimatrix was sealed and probably tampered with by azmuth.

      Eccept it's on his wrist, and the Ulimatrix is on his hand.

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    • Christopherweeblingjr wrote:

      AnimeEx wrote:
      Hmm not sure how that would help in cleaning. It would just be a nuissance. I think it's to keep guard on him, to monitor him, since he is a smart galvan, It might just be to prevent him from doing something bad again. Also did you see his arm? it seems the ultimatrix was sealed and probably tampered with by azmuth.

      Eccept it's on his wrist, and the Ulimatrix is on his hand.

      maybe it's an animation goof, like they forgot where the ultimatrix was suppost to be.

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    • Batboyexe wrote:

      Christopherweeblingjr wrote:

      AnimeEx wrote:
      Hmm not sure how that would help in cleaning. It would just be a nuissance. I think it's to keep guard on him, to monitor him, since he is a smart galvan, It might just be to prevent him from doing something bad again. Also did you see his arm? it seems the ultimatrix was sealed and probably tampered with by azmuth.
      Eccept it's on his wrist, and the Ulimatrix is on his hand.
      maybe it's an animation goof, like they forgot where the ultimatrix was suppost to be.

      I agree that it's likely an error.

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    • Anyone Noticed Albedo is more like Kevin in the first Series than Ben?

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    • Nope.

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    • SonicFan wrote:
      Good riddance!

      I've seen Albedo try to defeat Ben and Azmuth and fail in the end.

      I think he's had this coming to him. It's always been his fault he ends up looking like Ben.

      If he hadn't created a bad copy of the Omnitrix, he never would've suffered.

      On a lighter note, I'd say it was great to hear Tara Strong voice Albedo as Kid Ben.

      No, if Albedo hadn't forgotten he could just use the Master Control to stay in Galvan form indefinitely, he never would've attacked Ben and suffered as a result. It took Kenny five minutes to crack it as Grey Matter, and Albedo retains his Galvan intelligence in all forms. If Albedo is really as smart as his claims to be, then he completely lacks any common sense to keep himself from making obviously stupid decisions.


      Christopherweeblingjr wrote:
      AnimeEx wrote:
      Hmm not sure how that would help in cleaning. It would just be a nuissance. I think it's to keep guard on him, to monitor him, since he is a smart galvan, It might just be to prevent him from doing something bad again. Also did you see his arm? it seems the ultimatrix was sealed and probably tampered with by azmuth.
      Eccept it's on his wrist, and the Ulimatrix is on his hand.


      Omnitrixes can be configured to change their appearance.

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    • Oh the first omnitrix uses Ben's Prototype omnitrix as a Terminal and since Ben's DNA is the default, He became Ben's look alike.

      He attacks Ben so he can take the Omnitrix and change the default DNA to that of a Galvan.

      When the 1st Ultimatrix was created it uses Primus as its Database which is also the Omnitrix's Database, and the default DNA is still Ben so he still wants to get the Omnitrix.

      When the Ultimatrix was destroyed, Ben got the completed Omnitrix that stores DNA in a digitized form. 

      Albedo's experiment resulted in him being able to transform without any device but because of Ben it was unstable and can't last for a long time, He then made a device to make his transformation stable then added the Evolutionary function.

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    • AnimeEx wrote:
      When the 1st Ultimatrix was created it uses Primus as its Database which is also the Omnitrix's Database, and the default DNA is still Ben so he still wants to get the Omnitrix.

      When the Ultimatrix was destroyed, Ben got the completed Omnitrix that stores DNA in a digitized form. 

      This is actually a retcon, and a sloppy one at that. Before Alien Force season 3, the Omnitix stored the DNA inside itself, as stated by Azmuth. Ben couldn't fight the Highbreed fleet without risking the DNA database Azmuth would use to revive the races exterminated by the Highbreed. In season 3, this was retconned so that the Omntrix synchronized with the database on Primus, rendering Azmuth's previous argument nonsensical. If the Omnitrix didn't have a DNA database, then Ben had no reason no to use it to fight the Highbreed. In Omniverse, Primus plays no role and Derrick intended to retcon it out of continuity because it was needlessly complex and made little sense to begin with; the Unitrix still exists in Omniverse.

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    • Zenoseiya wrote:
      AnimeEx wrote:
      When the 1st Ultimatrix was created it uses Primus as its Database which is also the Omnitrix's Database, and the default DNA is still Ben so he still wants to get the Omnitrix.

      When the Ultimatrix was destroyed, Ben got the completed Omnitrix that stores DNA in a digitized form. 

      This is actually a retcon, and a sloppy one at that. Before Alien Force season 3, the Omnitix stored the DNA inside itself, as stated by Azmuth. Ben couldn't fight the Highbreed fleet without risking the DNA database Azmuth would use to revive the races exterminated by the Highbreed. In season 3, this was retconned so that the Omntrix synchronized with the database on Primus, rendering Azmuth's previous argument nonsensical. If the Omnitrix didn't have a DNA database, then Ben had no reason no to use it to fight the Highbreed. In Omniverse, Primus plays no role and Derrick intended to retcon it out of continuity because it was needlessly complex and made little sense to begin with; the Unitrix still exists in Omniverse.

      Azmuth said the omnitrix is like Noah's Ark, I don't remember him saying it stored the DNA in itself but it does still use Primus as a Database. it could be that All the DNA is actually at primus and when Ben unlocks them, the Data is then transferred to the Omnitrix. The new Omnitrix however has all the DNA data in it because Azmuth already finished. Primus was not only a Database but also an experiment for the completion of the New Omnitrix. So yeah Primus no longer plays any role.

      The Unitrix does still exist and in the form of Eunice. She made her appearance on the "The most dangerous gameshow ever"

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    • AnimeEx wrote:
      Azmuth said the omnitrix is like Noah's Ark, I don't remember him saying it stored the DNA in itself but it does still use Primus as a Database. it could be that All the DNA is actually at primus and when Ben unlocks them, the Data is then transferred to the Omnitrix. The new Omnitrix however has all the DNA data in it because Azmuth already finished. Primus was not only a Database but also an experiment for the completion of the New Omnitrix. So yeah Primus no longer plays any role.


      You are incorrect. Azmuth does state that. Here is the exact quote:

      Azmuth: I have stored within it, DNA samples of every intelligent life form in the Milky Way Galaxy.

      Ben Tennyson: 10,000 of them, I know.

      Azmuth: As I'm continually forced to point out, you know very little. There are over one million samples encoded in the Omnitrix.

      Ben Tennyson: A million?

      Azmuth: And with the Omnitrix, you have the power to return to life any species that the Highbreed exterminates, including the Human Race.

      Ben Tennyson: I will not let the Highbreed...

      Azmuth: If you are destroyed with the Omnitrix, there is no hope. Not for humanity, not for any race the Highbreed extinguishes afterwards! The Omnitrix is Noah's Arc. And you are Noah! I cannot allow you to participate in the final battle!


      In the episode Primus, he directly contradicts himself.

      Gwen: If all the DNA is here on Primus, what's inside the Omnitrix?

      Azmuth: [chuckles] Bright girl. The Omnitrix is like a wireless device, communicating across the universe with the server that contains its database of DNA.

      Ben: Primus.

      Azmuth: Without Primus, the Omnitrix is useless.


      The existence of Primus is a blatant retcon to the way the Omnitrix works and exists solely for the sake of the forgetable Alien Force season 3, which was the worst season due to rampant bad writing and filler.

      AnimeEx wrote:
      The Unitrix does still exist and in the form of Eunice. She made her appearance on the "The most dangerous gameshow ever"


      I already said that.

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    • I said I don't remember him saying it, I meant that literally cause it's a long time ago.  And as I said, the Prototype Omnitrix does still use Primus, and that the New Omnitrix Stores the DNA in the form of DATA. Geez, we already had a discussion about this before, it's not worth discussing now. The decision with Primus was to forget about it because as you said, it was only for that series and only for the Prototype.

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    • AnimeEx is right. The omnitrix doesn't contain any physical DNA. It is connected with primus, which holds the actual DNA, then primus sends the information of a species' genetic code to the omnitrix, which then alters its user's DNA to match the DNA of the species they select, turning them into a member of that species.

      So when the omnitrix sent out a DNA wave in War of the Worlds, it didn't actually send any physical DNA to the Highbreed. It just connected to primus, searched for the genetic codes of different species, and then sent out a wave that modified all highbreeds' DNA.

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    • maybe at first the Omnitrix had it's own DNA, but that data was destroyed when Ben used it to cure the highbred due to a glitch, after which it needed to connect with Primus (which acted as a backup system). when the new Omntrix was created, it fixed the bug, thus meaning the Omnitrix could store data again, thus rendering Primus Obsolete....best excuse for how to fix that continuity error I can think of.

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    • ^I like that theory.

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    • Batboyexe wrote:
      maybe at first the Omnitrix had it's own DNA, but that data was destroyed when Ben used it to cure the highbred due to a glitch, after which it needed to connect with Primus (which acted as a backup system). when the new Omntrix was created, it fixed the bug, thus meaning the Omnitrix could store data again, thus rendering Primus Obsolete....best excuse for how to fix that continuity error I can think of.

      It isn't a continuity error. Plus theres a flaw in your theory. Azmuth said that he removed ghostfreak from the codon stream prior to Alien Force. Plus, Azmuth also said Feedbacks DNA couldn't be re-added to the codon stream in Omniverse. So the Omnitrix was connected to the codon stream, and to primus, before Ben altered the Highbreed.

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    • There are probably 2 or 3 ways to explain Primus, but the staff chose to just ignore it. Makes you wonder what they actually want. Primus might still be alive and kicking, Azmuth might still be using it as a backup in case the omnitrix breaks, he can just take the data from Primus and create a new one. But maybe not, it's easier to store Data in a flash Drive or whatever storage device azmuth has.

      Also, I think Paradox is the most dangerous person in Ben 10.

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    • Primus opens a number of plotholes.

      1. We were originally told the Omnitrix stored DNA inside itself, which was why Ben couldn't risk losing it to the Highbreed. In the OS, that's why Zs'skayr said he was trapped inside the watch. Primus retcons this to the watch being a receiver for the server on Primus.
      2. Azmuth was living as a hermit on Xenon at the same time he supposedly maintained Primus. This would make sense if Primus and Xenon were the same planet, but they clearly aren't. Azmuth left Xenon and never returned for some nebulous reason.
      Batboyexe wrote:
      maybe at first the Omnitrix had it's own DNA, but that data was destroyed when Ben used it to cure the highbred due to a glitch, after which it needed to connect with Primus (which acted as a backup system). when the new Omntrix was created, it fixed the bug, thus meaning the Omnitrix could store data again, thus rendering Primus Obsolete....best excuse for how to fix that continuity error I can think of.

      This does make some sense. Perhaps Primus is a prototype Omnitrix that isn't miniaturized, serving a purpose as a lab to work on other omnitrixes (e.g. extracting Zs'skayr's mind from the Omnitrix without physical access). After the Prototype was glitched by sending out a galactic pulse, it had to upload the database to Primus and rely on the copy until repairs could be administered. With the highbreed no longer a threat, Primus was no longer at risk if it was used as a database despite being far more vulnerable than the easily transported watch. Also, Primus is either Xenon or a neighboring planet/moon.

      That still doesn't explain why the Arachnichimp sample conveniently degraded at the same time the Arachnichimp homeworld was infested with Xenocytes. For it not to come off as a contrived coincidence, the infestation and discovery of the degredation would've had to have been separated by several weeks at the least.

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    • Ahm no, Primus is not a prototype omnitrix. It is a database of prototype omnitrix. Well something more like a backup.

      The prototype omnitrix contains the DNA of 10 aliens in it. And when certain conditions are met, the omnitrix downloads the data of a certain species from Primus, so it can either be just data or the omnitrix remakes the DNA in itself using that data. It can change its user's DNA to that of the chosen alien. The omnitrix can fix unstable DNA by looking for a match in Primus to fix make it stable, then the omnitrix downloads the DNA and recreates it to match a stable type of DNA of the one who has an unstable DNA. Then the omnitrix projects its function to change DNA structure and thus making the DNA stable.

      The new omnitrix is the result of Azmuth's studies in Primus, it no longer needs primus since it stores the DNA Data in itself. Azmuth abandoned Xenon. Also azmuth has plenty of ways to transport. He can even transport Ben from earth all the way to Galvan prime so Primus can't be at Xenon. Only Azmuth knows. 

      I sounds complicated but this could be the answer.

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    • This is why Ben 10 is in desperate need for a reboot rather than a fifth series. Look, i would love a fifth series, and i have so many ideas and it could be taken in so many different directions, like a space road trip. Don't argue UAF was a space road trip, half/majority of the time was spent on earth. I'm talking no earth whatsoever, every episode is a new planet, and stuff. Well, a new planet every episode would be a tad too extreme, but still.

      AF, UA, and OV have screwed up with the timeline with a lot of retcons and contradictions. All 3 series have done this, especially Omniverse. Reboot the franchise, fix the entire retcons in a new story, and stick with it rather than just randomly add Primus in the middle of what's already established. Though this probably belongs somewhere else.

      Primus is the least of our worries now, we have way worse retcons and way too many things that don't add up.

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    • ZeVikingSif wrote:
      This is why Ben 10 is in desperate need for a reboot rather than a fifth series. Look, i would love a fifth series, and i have so many ideas and it could be taken in so many different directions, like a space road trip. Don't argue UAF was a space road trip, half/majority of the time was spent on earth. I'm talking no earth whatsoever, every episode is a new planet, and stuff. Well, a new planet every episode would be a tad too extreme, but still.

      AF, UA, and OV have screwed up with the timeline with a lot of retcons and contradictions. All 3 series have done this, especially Omniverse. Reboot the franchise, fix the entire retcons in a new story, and stick with it rather than just randomly add Primus in the middle of what's already established. Though this probably belongs somewhere else.

      Primus is the least of our worries now, we have way worse retcons and way too many things that don't add up.

      The retcons do add up, you just have to know all of the facts. Its simple, there are only like 2 things that UAF retconed and OV retconed back. UAF said 1) Kev is an alien and 2) "Ultimate" Ben is Ben's real future. OV retconed these things back because many fans liked the original ideas more, and they were just better writen. Thats it. Its not complicated at all. So they should continue with a 5th series. The fandom would just destroy a reboot anyway.

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    • hhhhmmm...why ben attack vilgax on malgax attack better he attack albedo like good copy bad copy XD but where albedo appears after malgax attack??does albedo become villain forever or he help azmuth???

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    • He loses his ultimatrix forever, and he's stuck as 11 year old Ben. And he's now stuck cleaning up Galvan Prime's mess, and is probably in jail.

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    • Or he escaped.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Or he escaped.

      yeah.....he can escape it. do you all remember on "for a few brain more"? he stuck on 11 year old ben but in "and then were ben" he appearances again.........also ZeVikingSif you say jail? i think not forever in jail so he becoming not villain again??or what?


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    • What?

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    • Bad english sorry XP

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    • I think he can escape it later or being asmuth assistant again XD

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    • He may have to find another polymorphic crystal.

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    • but his arm locked

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    • Noooooooooooooooo

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    • yeah...so sad

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    • Only his omnitrix is disabled. His arm isn't locked.

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    • does next series still omniverse?season 9? i feel not enjoyed on omniverse...better the UA or AF. how about you and after omniverse there ben 10 next series? or was finished 

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    • Hey....polymorphic crystal is inspector13 have.so,its imposible to find polymorphic crystal again

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    • Why not? Nothing is impossible.

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    • Hey I just thought of something, Since Ben could only use Gravattack in Omniverse and Albedo was only able to transform into the Aliens Ben could use in UA, didn't he need to use the Ultimatrix to transform?

      my alternate theory is when Ben pulled the universal retcon, and when a few tiny details changed (I.E.: the Mr Smoothy logo for example) Albedo may have lost his power to transform at will...that or the effects were just temporary.

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    • Batboyexe wrote:
      Hey I just thought of something, Since Ben could only use Gravattack in Omniverse and Albedo was only able to transform into the Aliens Ben could use in UA, didn't he need to use the Ultimatrix to transform?

      my alternate theory is when Ben pulled the universal retcon, and when a few tiny details changed (I.E.: the Mr Smoothy logo for example) Albedo may have lost his power to transform at will...that or the effects were just temporary.

      Albedo had access to Ben's Omniverse aliens too. He turned into Ultimate Gravattack didn't he? But its been stated that when ever Albedo creates an omnitrix, it is synced to Ben's omnitrix, and only has the aliens he can transform into.

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    • BrimStoned 

      yeah you right. in AF he created copy of omnitrix linked to ben's alien,later he make ultimatrix still linked to ben's alien but,can make alien to ultimate like humungesour.that's why he need the original omnitrix.In UA he didn't have anything he only use mentaly..transform into a second then back again...in Omniverse he create omnitrix again (in ultimate heist) linked to ben new omnitrix but slightly different he need to use polymorphic crystal to transform from omnitrix to ultimatrix not like UA he only can ultimate :big chill,swampfire,humungesour,cannonbolt,etc but he can transform all alien into ultimate also his galvan form into ultimate albedo


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    • He still has ability to transform.

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    • I have just watched Malgax Attacks I just have one question why did Albedo use is his ultimatrix cos I have watched A few brains more and I don't see him pressing it like he does in Malgax attacks

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